One guys thoughts about his life.
If I were to show a video of a bunch of gays in a parade, humping each other on a float, waving their bare ass and throwing dildos at the cheering onlookers (which I have seen in parades in S.F.) and then say, "Brought to you by the homosexual community..." wouldn't you protest that I was unfairly attributing to ALL what is the action of only SOME? This ignorant "christian" no more represents the entirety Church that do Klansmen who burn a cross and call black people "the N word."
Anonymous has a point. Not all churchgoers think what their leaders tell them to think, some think on their own. Muslims did not bring down the World Trade Towers - terrorists did. Not all gay men are effeminate. Not all lesbians are butch. There are stereotypes and some fit them, but not all. One can be religious and accepting of others differences. It is a game of follow the leaders – and education. If people would become more educated and stop following blindly the world would be a better place. When people stop following the leaders, the leaders lose their power and influence. Ignorance is such a waste of a good soul.
Ah...very true. I should have been more accurate and said "a church" not "the Church".I am afraid though that "a church" certainly outnumbers the churches that accept and affirm LGBT persons and their spiritual lives. I would wager the percentage is over 90% in the United States alone.As I have stated in posts before, the common denominator in bigotry, hate, ignorance, prejudice and violence against LGBT always seems to be some organized religious organization, the leadership there, their members and the man made teachings they ascribe to.This is no coincidence.daemon
Anonymous: True, but then, I don't have to make excuses for the men that you have seen in the S.F. pride parade. Their actions, while excessive and unpleasant to those with delicate sensibilities, don't actually hurt anyone.Actively speaking and promoting hatred toward others, however, does.Your point about over-generalizing is valid, but your (possibly unintentional) false equivalency between pride celebrations and religiously rationalized hatred is troubling.
The Colorful One: The excessive actions of Gay Parades in S.F. doesn't hurt anyone? Are you kidding me? THEY are the ones who provide the ammunition for right-wing pundits such as Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell etc. who take pictures and videos of these events and then make their propaganda fund raising films to raise funds for their cause by telling the world, "See, this is what fags do!" Where do you think this ignorant buffoon in the video gets his information from? If I act like a jack ass in the name of Christianity then I damage the reputation of the church because I send a message that says, "This is how Christians behave." If I act like a jack ass in the name of Gay Pride then I damage the reputation of Gay people because it sends a message that says, "This is how Gays behave." Our words and behavior can stir up hatred and hurt people and while gay people with a 12 foot penis on top of their float may seem not to be hurtful, the consequences of these actions does indirectly affect the entire community and their are many gay people in the city that object to this condoned illegal behavior. When they go bare ass naked down the street and are not arrested for violating city ordinances because the police fear the potential riots that would follow, gay people are then viewed as lawless who can do what they want with impunity.Anonymous B
Are you kidding me? THEY are the ones who provide the ammunition for right-wing pundits such as Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell etc. who take pictures and videos of these events and then make their propaganda fund raising films to raise funds for their cause by telling the world, "See, this is what fags do!"Yes, so who is at fault here? The gay people who are just having a good time? Or the voyeuristic pundits who are obsessed with how others choose to have a good time?You have it backward, Anon. The solution is not to tell the folks at pride parades to tone it down. The solution is to challenge the moralizing and controlling pearl clutchers to that they are getting unhealthily worked up over people doing things that doesn't break anyone's leg or pick anyone's pocket.And let's be honest here, people don't need to give "pundits" any ammunition. They are perfectly capable -- and willing to do so -- of making up stuff out of pure cloth. See Paul Cameron's claim that the average life span of gay men is only 42 years. His claims have not only been disproven, but have been challenged by the very researchers whose studies he twisted to arrive at that claim. And yet, many in the anti-gay industry keep parroting that lie (always taking care not to mention the discredited Paul Cameron by name, of course). No one has given the various anti-gay groups the "ammo" to link homosexuality with pedophilia, and yet they do it on a regular basis.So no, having a twelve foot penis on top of a float hurts absolutely no one. People getting all morally outraged over the presence of a twelve foot penis on top of a float is the real problem. You're just trying to make the float-makers responsible for those who are easily outraged rather than calling on the easily outraged to control themselves. That's called enabling.
The Colorful One: You haven't demonstrated how this person's rants HURT anyone anymore or less than other practicing their right to "free speech" by going bare ass naked down the street on a float in the name of gay pride. Just because I am offended by someone's political, religious or ant-religious assertions doesn't mean that I have been HURT by them. I've watched this video a couple times and while it is obvious to me how this little punk has been brainwashed and is merely parroting other right wing political pundits (he even has their exact same vocal inflections and facial expressions) I can't say that I or anyone else has been HURT by them. If he were advocating that people attack or kill gay people we at most could say he is seeking to provoke people to hurt others, but he himself still would not be hurting anyone. And I did not say that a 12 foot penis on a float HURTS anyone, only that as a form of speech from a minority it sends a message which is then taken as a representative of the entirety of the gay community. Likewise when a religious pundit on the radio, television etc. says "blah, blah, blah" while they may be in the minority of religious people they are nonetheless taken as a representative of the whole. Most muslims don't want to crash planes into buildings or blow themselves up in the name of Allah, most Christians don't behave as this punk does and most gays don't go about acting the village people on steroids. Yet, when these people DO behave in this way they DO send a message to the world and it is the responsibility of muslims to speak out against terrorism, and Christians to speak out against bigotry and yes gay people need to clean up their own act as well. I don't think my tax dollars should be paying for police protection of illegal gay nudity in the city.Anon B
Let's see here. At a quick glance, the young man int the video is doing the following:1. He is repeating false information about homosexuality, false information that people base their voting decisions on.2. He is making claims about former "friends" about whether or not they were "really gay," thereby invalidating their experiences.I'd call both of those actions hurtful. The first one is even a sin according to the religion he claims to follow in order to look down on gay people.Yes yes, you don't like other gay people that don't meet your standards. I guess you and the young man in the video can find common ground in looking down on them and judging them.
And while we're talking about people who go to "events" to find evidence of how awful gays are, let's talk about Peter LaBarbera, who is probably most famous for that particular schtick. Yes, he will go to fetish events and take pictures of how "depraved" gay people are. The thing he fails to mention is that many of the events he attends are not specific to gay people. In fact, they are heavily attended by heterosexuals too. But he'll make sure he won't show any hetero kinksters, because that little bit of truth will get in the way of the garbage he's trying to sell.And that's the thing about the self-appointed moral police of gays, they'll completely ignore or even applaud heterosexual people who do the same damn things they get their panties in a twist over seeing gay people do.But hey, play into their no-win game if you want to.
Hey Anon, how many gay Pride events have you personally attended?daemon
Daemon,I have lived and worked in S.F. since 1999 so seeing everything that goes on is somewhat unavoidable. During that time I guess I've seen portions of at least 6 of them, the parts that they don't show on the news (you know, with fully dressed people pushing baby carriages). One day I was driving from the GG park to the east bay along Fell (the pan handle of G.G. park) when suddenly traffic came to a dead halt in both directions. I yelled at someone on the sidewalk, "What's going on?" and they replied, "They're have the bondage parade today!" I could not get from where I was to the freeway without passing it by and as I inched my way through traffic (I hate all parades that block traffic) suddenly everywhere the eye could see were men wearing leather chaps with bare asses etc. swirling whips and various floats and limousines with naked men on them or hanging out the window. The only way I could have avoided it would have been to drive north on 101, go over the GG bridge or south on 101 and go over the San Mateo bridge, either way would have added another hour to my commute . Seriously, they can do this crap somewhere else. There is a local radio talk show host who is gay who also complains about this crap. Anonymous B
By the way, the annual "Pride Parade" isn't the only Gay parade that takes place in the city. There are many others that don't get televised, most of them are in celebration of a particular fetish (leather, dikes on bikes, etc.) and what isn't widely made known is that NAMBLA frequently and openly takes part in these parades as well.Anonymous B
(I hate all parades that block traffic)I'll believe that when I find an equally vitriolic rant from you about the Saint Patrick's Day Parade.bondage paradeWait! Wait! So now we're not talking about a gay pride parade, but a bondage parade. Not the same thing. And remember, heterosexual people are into bondage too. They even have bondage parades that heterosexual people march in.men wearing leather chaps with bare asses etc. swirling whips and various floats and limousines with naked men on them or hanging out the window.Tell me, do you get so worked up about women running around i bikini's? Victoria secret billboards with models wearing lingerie?
what isn't widely made known is that NAMBLA frequently and openly takes part in these parades as well.Please provide evidence corroborating this or I'm just going to assume you'll say anything to demonize gay people, given that's all you've done in this entire conversation.
I'm trying to figure out whether the ranting young man is (1) simply religiously brainwashed to bigotry, or (2) both bigoted *and* dealing with his own gay feelings.Either way, he is a verbally bullying twit.By the way, what is wrong with having 30 gay kids in an entire county? Does this young man feel so threatened by that?michael e
I think one of the statements from this video is where he says "I used to be friends with some of these kids." Used to be. As in he's not friends with them anymore.I find myself wondering why he's not friends with them anymore. Did they just drift apart? Or did he cease being their friends when they came out as gay? If the latter, how good of friends did he really consider them if he could just abandon them like that?For that matter, while I realize that close friendships do fade over time, I find myself wondering just how close he was to them if they merely drifted apart over time rather than him purging the "nasty sinners" from his life. Close enough to really know how they "really" felt or who they "really" were attracted to back when he was their friend?